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joekewwl
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 Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 11:10 am Post subject: Community Cup chats with WOTC |
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Ok I asked about STD pauper support.
They felt it will take away from classic pauper players.
Classic pauper is doing well for them.
I asked if they could set the filters in game to support Std papuer, this is something that is wanted for a wide range of formats, but wouldnt be happening anytime soon.
Modern format, they havent decided if this is going to be an offical format or not.
New UI stuff,
it is in the specs to have an in game Note pad function, also in game bug reporting.
they didnt promise that theses would make the first release but unless something pushing them back they want to have it for release of the new UI cleint.
busy time there and lots of fun.
I have more but not the time atm to post. please ask anything and I will post answers to them if they were answered by WOTC.
Classic Pauper and issues with Storm decks,
I dont play classic so I cant say why or what is the issue with Storm decks.
ChirsK said wotc is willing to look at any infomation we want to send them on why storm decks are too strong in pauper. WE as the community are the ones who play it and so they are willing to listen to us.
You cant just say you dont like a card, but I know there are those of you out there that play classic and can put into words why xxx card needs to be banned, ect.
So send me PM;s or someone can start a new thread on getting everyone comments on it and I will send that info to ChirsK.
Keep in mind I think this is mostly for those that play in wotc events for pauper and not PRE'S.
I went 2-1 in draft, Gordon Gulp was my only lost, when he played White Sun's Zenith at eot and then top decked ith again,. SIGH,
good times though
later guys, Joe
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lenney
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| Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 11:33 am Post subject: |
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| You should reassure them that a STD Pauper filter would not take players away from Classic but ADD players. I, for one, would love to see STD Pauper get official support and I have no interest in Classic. |
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ImSoHawt
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| Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 12:18 pm Post subject: |
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| lenney wrote: | | You should reassure them that a STD Pauper filter would not take players away from Classic but ADD players. I, for one, would love to see STD Pauper get official support and I have no interest in Classic. |
This makes the most sense. Classic pauper has a stale metagame, which is great in it's own way, but there really aren't a lot of cards that are released that change the metagame upside down. With standard pauper, this is not the case, every new block is fresh meat. |
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joekewwl
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| Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 12:47 pm Post subject: |
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| ImSoHawt wrote: | | lenney wrote: | | You should reassure them that a STD Pauper filter would not take players away from Classic but ADD players. I, for one, would love to see STD Pauper get official support and I have no interest in Classic. |
This makes the most sense. Classic pauper has a stale metagame, which is great in it's own way, but there really aren't a lot of cards that are released that change the metagame upside down. With standard pauper, this is not the case, every new block is fresh meat. |
Yes I agree but Wotc doesn't. 
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Sounds like regular WotC "go **** yourself" mentality.
I too have no interest in classic pauper. Nothing wrong with those that play it, I just have no interest. Ext or older block, maybe, as my collection grows sure. But I'm not going to go buy useless packs from useless sets to play classic (nor the singles). Which I'm guessing is why WotC resists supporting STD Pauper, might make them expect less sales of their less flashy sets. And honestly I doubt many of us would buy any more standard/current product to bolster our pauper stock =P |
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I can see that mentality in terms of a prize-supported format, but I don't see why it would be such a crime to add it as a casual format. I guess casual formats don't sell packs, so...
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Amar
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| Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 3:56 pm Post subject: |
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For what it's worth, I can say from a couple years experience as PRE host as well as player that on the whole players move
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Nothing / beginner deck
-> Standard Pauper casual/PRE
-> Classic Pauper casual/PRE
-> Classic Pauper Dailies / Premiers
-> "Official Formats"
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and emphatically not the other way around. If you can show me one person who says "I gave up Classic Pauper once I found Standard Pauper", I'll show you 5 who moved the other direction. (People boycotting the current Classic environment notwithstanding.) And that continues between other format gradients.
So I think if Standard Pauper had even a little support, it would definitely serve as an introduction format and not a cannibalizing substitute.
That said, I'd be at least a little cautious about putting Standard Pauper in a spotlight where the "best deck" is quickly determined. When there is one, SPDC and MPDC get there quickly enough as it is. High profile events would only speed the evolution. |
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MakingSmartPlays
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| Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 4:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Amar wrote: | For what it's worth, I can say from a couple years experience as PRE host as well as player that on the whole players move
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Nothing / beginner deck
-> Standard Pauper casual/PRE
-> Classic Pauper casual/PRE
-> Classic Pauper Dailies / Premiers
-> "Official Formats"
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and emphatically not the other way around. If you can show me one person who says "I gave up Classic Pauper once I found Standard Pauper", I'll show you 5 who moved the other direction. (People boycotting the current Classic environment notwithstanding.) And that continues between other format gradients.
So I think if Standard Pauper had even a little support, it would definitely serve as an introduction format and not a cannibalizing substitute.
That said, I'd be at least a little cautious about putting Standard Pauper in a spotlight where the "best deck" is quickly determined. When there is one, SPDC and MPDC get there quickly enough as it is. High profile events would only speed the evolution. |
Thanks for standing up for the community. If you want to send them notes of reassurance send them this...whoever is at WotC that thinks standard pauper would be bad for classic pauper is really just not seeing the way things really work.
Amar is dead on with his diagram. It is a simple, profound and 100% true depiction of how things actually work.
Lets set up a poll: "If standard pauper became an in game supported format I would...
A.) Quit playing classic pauper and play standard exclusively
B.) Start playing both formats
C.) I don't play classic pauper now, but I would start playing standard, but never classic
D.) I don't play classic pauper now, but I would start playing standard and maybe move into classic later if things went well in standard.
lets get them some player input on this? |
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joekewwl
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| Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 6:02 pm Post subject: |
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Input is the step were at so lets keep moving forward.
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Jory
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| Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 11:54 pm Post subject: |
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WOTC doesn't care about Pauper at all so it'll be a cold day in hell before we ever see Standard Pauper in the filter. Look how long it took to get daily events and they're doing very well so it's not a matter of what's popular, good for the customers, or even good for their profits. If anything it's just apathy regarding anything that's not limited considering MTGO is just a front so they can sell shit tons of packs to limited players.
It's sad, but ultimately true. All you have to do is look at their actions throughout the years and it's not hard to see. |
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Amar
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| Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 3:28 am Post subject: |
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| Hey I'm the bitter, jaded one around here. Stop trying to challenge me on that! |
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Vorosh's Attendant
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I think Modern pauper is an excellent middle ground between classic and standard.
Extended pauper is a joke btw. |
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MakingSmartPlays
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| or how about this: As Mark Rosewater has admitted, frantic search never should have been printed *_* |
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Jory
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| Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 7:59 am Post subject: |
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| Amar wrote: | | Hey I'm the bitter, jaded one around here. Stop trying to challenge me on that! |
Don't worry, I'm just a realist, although there is some overlap there.  |
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Yakov Smirnov
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"standard pauper will take away from classic pauper" and "the format would be too easily figured out" are just statements that are parroted back by people who don't play either format. people who actually, you know, play lots of pauper have the complete opposite opinion. I don't know what more WotC needs to hear. Maybe they're worried that by making a format with effectively zero barrier to entry, people would play less of the other, more expensive formats (and thus sell less cards). But as Amar pointed out, it's almost always the opposite. A large portion of players start cheap, and then once they get good at the game, they realize they can compete, and branch out and buy more. props to joe (as always) for representing at the community cup and giving it a shot.
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