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Polyjak
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| Boin wrote: | | What about adding another way to sack saps to the sideboard to deal with echoing spells. |
Why? Are you telling me Pallid Mycoderm isn't good enough?
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Boin
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| Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 10:58 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm saying you need more. Echoing truth ruins your day. Every blue deck must play it by now. |
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IberianWolf
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| Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 2:41 pm Post subject: |
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too bad rebuff the wicked is uncommon... but you can use utopia mycon... even if you take mana burn.
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KingRitz
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| Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 2:46 pm Post subject: |
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Utopia Mycon is UNCOMMON. Belive me, if it were common it would already be in the deck.
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IberianWolf
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| Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 2:57 pm Post subject: |
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oh, my bad then. there's more common saproling sacrificers though.
vitaspore thallid - 1/1 for two mana, totally not worth it. you don't need haste.
thallid germinator - 2/2 for three mana + minor pump in response to removal. nah.
savage thallid - 5/2 for five... weak vs. removal, but protects itself AND the mycoderm. and gives you more spore counters.
kavu primarch - dunno, just had to mention it. fists of ironwood ftw! :p
not much choices, are there?
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KingRitz
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| Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 3:07 pm Post subject: |
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| IberianWolf wrote: | oh, my bad then. there's more common saproling sacrificers though.
vitaspore thallid - 1/1 for two mana, totally not worth it. you don't need haste.
thallid germinator - 2/2 for three mana + minor pump in response to removal. nah.
savage thallid - 5/2 for five... weak vs. removal, but protects itself AND the mycoderm. and gives you more spore counters.
kavu primarch - dunno, just had to mention it. fists of ironwood ftw! :p
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Thallid Germinator is the best of this bunch, and has seen some play. Savage Thallid is WAY overcosted and generally not an option whatsoever. Kavu Primarch DOES NOT sacrifice Saprolings. None of these cards are "worth it" in this deck, in my opinion.
Echoing spells are annoying, but they're hardly the end of the world. Martyr of Ashes is a far bigger threat, because it kills your infrastructute (Wardens, Evangels, etc.) as well as your Saps, and Spore Cry has lived through Martyrs for half a year now. Just don't be stupid, hold something back when you can afford to, and rebuild after you get swept. This deck won't ever dominate Future Extended like it once did with Standard, but Echoing Spells hardly stop it from being a strong choice.
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IberianWolf
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| Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 3:15 pm Post subject: |
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wrap in vigor for the martyrs.
also, i know about kavu not sacrificing anything, but I've played it in a casual saps deck, and it was fun. probably not competitive enough.
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Boin
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| Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 11:40 am Post subject: |
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| Primarch isn't even the best convoke dude I don't think. Also how many decks run martyr. Xtra crispy? |
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KingRitz
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| Boin wrote: | | Primarch isn't even the best convoke dude I don't think. Also how many decks run martyr. Xtra crispy? |
Raspberry Control is the biggest one that does, but I wasn't commenting so much on Martyrs' prevalence as offering a comparison by which to judge Echoing spells.
| IbearianWolf wrote: | | wrap in vigor for the martyrs. |
No, Ethereal Haze for the Martyrs. In Future Extended, almost none of the dangerous "sweepers" are "destroy" effects or damage from non-creature sources, so Haze plays "counter target sweeper" just as well as Wrap in Vigor, for one mana less, while doubling with a useful racing function in a few matchups. Haze is, of course, less useful when you want to make lopsided trades in combat, but this isn't as frequent or as relevant for a card in your sideboard.
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Cadaeic314
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So I played this to 2nd place at UPDC, and this is what I learned:
3 Terramorphic Expanse
3 Selesnya Sanctuary.
That's the manabase I had and I was still sometimes upset about a 1-bounceland hand. I couldn't imagine playing with 4 Sanctuaries.
I also learned you don't have to know how to play saps well to get 2nd.
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| Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 3:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Cadaeic314 wrote: | | I also learned you don't have to know how to play saps well to get 2nd. |
That's too general. It really depends on the match ups you get.
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Polyjak
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| Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 4:13 pm Post subject: |
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What also matters is that people play EXTREMELY POORLY against Saps, which makes it easy to win with the deck.
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| Cadaeic314 wrote: |
I also learned you don't have to know how to play saps well to get 2nd. |
You don't have to know how to play any deck well to get 1st.
This is Magic, there is a sizable element of luck involved and given enough time, pretty much anything will happen.
The advantage of a better deck and a more skillful player is a statistical one.
A good player will win more often, same with a player that knows his deck.
But "upsets" will happen quite frequently.
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| IberianWolf wrote: | oh, my bad then. there's more common saproling sacrificers though.
vitaspore thallid - 1/1 for two mana, totally not worth it. you don't need haste.
thallid germinator - 2/2 for three mana + minor pump in response to removal. nah.
savage thallid - 5/2 for five... weak vs. removal, but protects itself AND the mycoderm. and gives you more spore counters.
kavu primarch - dunno, just had to mention it. fists of ironwood ftw! :p
not much choices, are there? |
Why are you looking for something that sacrifices only saprolings?
Any sac outlet will do in the fight against echoings.
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IberianWolf
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| Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 5:37 pm Post subject: |
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yeah, but you might as well get a boost out of it. also, those saproling abilities might be useful in a normal situation (without echoing stuff, that is)
@polyjak: teach us the art of playing against saprolings!
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