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Me5794
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 5:34 am    Post subject: [Official Thread] Burn Range Reply with quote

Owner: Baron_Sengir6989
Deck: Burn Range
Place: Top 8 TPDC Worlds Season 6

4 Fireblast
4 Lightning Bolt
4 Frostling
4 Incinerate
20 Mountain
4 Oxidda Golem
4 Seal of Fire
4 Skirk Marauder
4 Vulshok Sorcerer
4 Karplusan Wolverine
4 Keldon Marauders

Sideboard
4 Electrostatic Bolt
3 Molten Rain
4 Pyroblast
4 Martyr of Ashes






This is the Official Thread for Discussions on Burn Range. Feel Free to Post Lists and Discuss.

Updated 10/25/07
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 5:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The above is the list I just used to T8 TPDC Worlds Season 6, with the exception of some of the SB.
My SB:
4 Electrostatic Bolt
3 Molten Rain
4 Pyroblast
4 Martyr of Ashes

EDIT: Also, swap 4x Firebolt with 4x Lightning Bolt.


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 5:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The list is old right? Cause otherwise, where are the lightning bolts? Confused
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 8:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Me5794 use the correct lists! please! Twisted Evil
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 8:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You could scout it out for him and post it here so he can easily cut and paste the correct build into the OP... Idea
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 9:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For reference:

Owner: Baron_Sengir6989
Deck: Burn Range
Place: Top 8 TPDC Worlds Season 6

4 Fireblast
4 Lightning Bolt
4 Frostling
4 Incinerate
20 Mountain
4 Oxidda Golem
4 Seal of Fire
4 Skirk Marauder
4 Vulshok Sorcerer
4 Karplusan Wolverine
4 Keldon Marauders

Sideboard
4 Electrostatic Bolt
3 Molten Rain
4 Pyroblast
4 Martyr of Ashes
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 5:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think seal of fire not firebolt is the card to cut. Firebolt gives the deck a much needed long game.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 2:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sligh variants have been pressuring meta games for about a decade now.

This format is no different. Sligh is easy to play, so its where I am starting in a meta unknown to me.

Sadly, I do not have every card I wish to play so-
Looking for 2 lightning bolt and 4 fireblast.

My Burn Range:
Critters:
4 martyr of ashes (1/1 + wrath, OK by me)
4 Karp wolverine (always gets his 3 in)
4 emberwilde augur (Don't sacrifice speed for reach)
4 keldon Marauders (Top tier aggro critter)
4 oxidda Golem
4 inner flame acolyte (oxidda golem 5-8 OR a 1cc filler on turns 2-5)
Departure from traditional Sligh Creations: Improper curvature cutting low and adding high.

The Burn: Note I need 4 fireblast.
(4) 2 lightning bolt + 2 brute force (Forces get cut for lightning bolts asap)
4 Riftbolt
4 incinerate
2 needle drop (The part of sligh that people forget is managing your damage/card in addition to the curvature, this allows me to cheat that ratio a bit)
2 kaervek's torch

20 mountain
SB:
To be created.

Alterations: +2 lighting bolt - brute force +4 fireblast -4 incerate/riftbolt OR needledrop/K-torch depending on testing.

Thoughts? Plans? Lambastes?
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 5:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For a deck that's mainly aiming at the other player's head, you can probably replace the Brute Force with Lava Spike until you get two more Bolts.

Rift Bolt seems out of place in this deck, and I don't think Martyr should be maindeck. Augur is nice if it can get hit for 2 once and then be sacrificed, but if it dies before getting any damage in, a direct burn spell would be better in its slot.

You'll definitely want to get Fireblast in there, as it is key to Burn Range's success. I'd also try to fit Firebolt in. I'm not sure about Torch; I don't know if it works in a deck that doesn't want to draw too many lands, especially if you're running Fireblast.

Take all of these comments with a grain of salt; I've never piloted Burn Range in Classic, though I have played against it many times.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 9:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You have to have Fireblast. Period.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 10:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Baron_Sengir6989 wrote:
You have to have Fireblast. Period.


I agree.

But, I don't.

I *could* focus more burn less sligh. But, burn... its too linear and doesn't give me enough room to outplay my opponents.

But, I might try it next week. We shall see. I will play with the numbers next Marketing class I have.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 12:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Frankly you can't play burn range without fireblast. It would be like blink drifter without mulldrifter. And if you are going to have a burnless sligh just play MGA. Burn is the reason to play red.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 12:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

how do you play this deck. Any tips on how to win against control?
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 12:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

free87 wrote:
how do you play this deck. Any tips on how to win against control?

First you play the burn spells. Repeat as necessary.
Fireblast when the control deck is tapped ou
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 6:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey free, good to see you putting your voice out there. So here is the skinny.

Each card in your deck is equal to a certain amount of damage (unless they are lands =D). The object of playing Burn over another deck is to have the best Cost to Damage ratio. The best C/D ratio is Lightning Bolt, doing 3 damage for 1 Mana and 1 Card. Incinerate does 3 damage for 2 mana and 1 card, so it is about 66% as cost-effective as Lightning Bolt is.

But what about cards like Needle Drop? Needle Drop can only be played on an opponent or creature that has taken damage, deals one damage, and draws one card for one mana. So it is 1 damage for 1 mana and 0 cards.

Two more examples for you then I'll stop. Keldon Marauders. It is either 2 damage for 2 mana and 1 card or 5 damage for 2 mana and 1 card.
Fireblast? As you play it in the Burn deck (as in using its free casting ability), it is 4 damage for 0 mana, 1 card, and 2 lands.

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If you evaluate all of your cards that way you will have a good idea of what kinds of cards to put into your burn deck. From looking at your deck that I played yesterday, there are a number of card choices you made that I would not agree with, primarily the Karplusan Wolverine and Frostling. They are good decent red creatures that get into the red zone, but they are extremely non-cost effective in comparison to almost any burn spell in the format.

In addition, as I demonstrated to you, lifegain is your little personal nightmare. MBC has a lot of it. MBC is popular. How do you stop it? Well, MBC only has two lifegaining spells. One is four mana, and one is six. Their four mana spell can only target creatures. So if you assume that the Burn deck usually wins around turn 4.5 (which correctly built decks do), you can expect the MBC player to have one opening to gain life, and the only thing you are doing by playing creatures is giving them the opportunity to gain life, and subsequently win the game.

So like I was mentioning before. Its not completely about play skill. Its about how well you prepare yourself and how well your opponents are prepared, and how well you are prepared for their preparedness Razz
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